Comments on: How can you not know Java? http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/ Tim Ottinger on Christianity, freedom, software, podcasts, and really hot-looking guitars. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:32:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Tim http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-437 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:06:20 +0100 http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-437 Well, now I've spent some time pairing with people who know Java, and even on Java projects. Mind you, I don't know much about the libraries or enterprise whatsits, I've never written a complete program, and I don't know any GUI or web frameworks. But I have been elbow deep in basic Java programming. That's better, though I still don't "Know Java" by the above standards. Well, now I’ve spent some time pairing with people who know Java, and even on Java projects. Mind you, I don’t know much about the libraries or enterprise whatsits, I’ve never written a complete program, and I don’t know any GUI or web frameworks. But I have been elbow deep in basic Java programming. That’s better, though I still don’t “Know Java” by the above standards.

]]> by: Tim http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-241 Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:44:40 +0000 http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-241 Remedies are coming. I had two events affect my life recently. One is that I've discovered the rail system, so I have time to read almost every day. The other is that I went to a Java users group meeting and won a book. Add these to the discovery of bsh (beansh) and my joining a <a href="http://objectmentor.com" rel="nofollow">company</a> where everyone knows Java, and where a lot of work is done there. Add to these that said company is the originator of Fitnesse (the open-source wiki taking the world by storm). Said product being developed in .... JAVA. Now I'm clearly on my way to a more complete experience of TDD/BDD/Agile, and Java is seeping into my pores now. I hope to soon be completing the items listed above, so that I can say that i KNOW java. Actually, I suspect that a lot of people who "know" java don't "KNOW" java in the fullness of my 6-item list above. But I will. Remedies are coming. I had two events affect my life recently. One is that I’ve discovered the rail system, so I have time to read almost every day. The other is that I went to a Java users group meeting and won a book.

Add these to the discovery of bsh (beansh) and my joining a company where everyone knows Java, and where a lot of work is done there. Add to these that said company is the originator of Fitnesse (the open-source wiki taking the world by storm). Said product being developed in …. JAVA.

Now I’m clearly on my way to a more complete experience of TDD/BDD/Agile, and Java is seeping into my pores now. I hope to soon be completing the items listed above, so that I can say that i KNOW java.

Actually, I suspect that a lot of people who “know” java don’t “KNOW” java in the fullness of my 6-item list above. But I will.

]]> by: Tim http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-237 Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:02:26 +0000 http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-237 I found beansh. Nice. I think that a lot of my concerns are laid to rest. It works and I can use it to poke around in the Java language. What a nice thing to have. It's not as nice as python/ruby, but it's nice. I found beansh. Nice. I think that a lot of my concerns are laid to rest. It works and I can use it to poke around in the Java language. What a nice thing to have. It’s not as nice as python/ruby, but it’s nice.

]]> by: Tim http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-189 Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:49:41 +0000 http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-189 Heh, you can tell I don't know java. I spent a chunk of time setting up JAVA_HOME (ie. do you point at the lib dir? At the exe? At the directory above it? Where the heck is my java installed anyway) in order to launch groovysh. Man. We need some kind of installer for java that doesn't leave you guessing what environment variables you need. Whose brilliant idea is it to base your computer language's basic operation on a bunch of environment variables? Oh, for my project coworkers -- I will be checking to see if groovy has basic language features. ;-) Heh, you can tell I don’t know java. I spent a chunk of time setting up JAVA_HOME (ie. do you point at the lib dir? At the exe? At the directory above it? Where the heck is my java installed anyway) in order to launch groovysh.

Man. We need some kind of installer for java that doesn’t leave you guessing what environment variables you need. Whose brilliant idea is it to base your computer language’s basic operation on a bunch of environment variables?

Oh, for my project coworkers — I will be checking to see if groovy has basic language features. ;-)

]]> by: Tim http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-188 Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:01:06 +0000 http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-188 Hey! Groovy really does look groovy! I think it's going to be well worth learning! I just went through part of a pdf presentation on groovy, and I'm amazed at how much it is a part of the python/ruby world. I can enjoy this. I don't think I'll mind doing many crazy java things this way. Nice on you, George, for being persistant! Hey!

Groovy really does look groovy! I think it’s going to be well worth learning! I just went through part of a pdf presentation on groovy, and I’m amazed at how much it is a part of the python/ruby world.

I can enjoy this. I don’t think I’ll mind doing many crazy java things this way.

Nice on you, George, for being persistant!

]]> by: George http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-184 Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:03:03 +0000 http://tottinge.blogsome.com/2005/12/30/how-can-you-not-know-java/#comment-184 Oh Tim, I hear your pain. I don't know Java but for different reasons. I've said this before but maybe we could get interested through back door to Java... <a href="http://groovy.codehaus.org/" rel="nofollow">G-R-O-O-V-Y</a>. My origins are from basic web development tagging. My understanding of conversational java is probably a little more, but talking without doing frustrates my colleagues even more. Since it is not my job description, I'm off the hook career wise. I'm different than you in that I want to learn Java but am often swept away into diddly web stuff thanks to my job description. It seems to me java is just a bigger mental map to retain and requires a narrowing of priorities in order to get over that initial learning curve. Let's keep learning together...and I'll try to keep your attitude out of the dumps. Deal? Oh Tim, I hear your pain. I don’t know Java but for different reasons. I’ve said this before but maybe we could get interested through back door to Java… G-R-O-O-V-Y. My origins are from basic web development tagging.

My understanding of conversational java is probably a little more, but talking without doing frustrates my colleagues even more. Since it is not my job description, I’m off the hook career wise. I’m different than you in that I want to learn Java but am often swept away into diddly web stuff thanks to my job description. It seems to me java is just a bigger mental map to retain and requires a narrowing of priorities in order to get over that initial learning curve. Let’s keep learning together…and I’ll try to keep your attitude out of the dumps. Deal?

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